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Aside from the wonderful content of your communications, Ray, I am blown
away by the way you sign off: With great love. I do get that.
Thanks.
Love,
Robyn
Fulcher, Ray wrote:
> (My concern for being liked or doing it right completely suspended...)
>
> I speak the language of integrity.
> I am speaking to people who are adults
> I am speaking for a world where speaking creates worlds and lives are
> lived by design.
>
> I acknowledge that I have responsibility in causing a safe place for
> people. I do that on a regular basis. I also acknowledge that I did not
> say that, so you may have had no way of knowing that, and that that
> responsibility was not present in what I said.
>
> What I am playing with here is exploring areas of fields that I have
> been locked out. I am trying new ways (for me) of speaking to adults and
> having adult as possibility be present. In Steven's speaking, what has
> seemed to show up has been "fathers seeing admonished children and must
> have people be responsible to take care of them". In Brian's speaking,
> what has seemed to show up is "mother guiding the children to the
> right/sucessful way". (By the way, I love what you said Brian, I am
> working on putting the language that you gave me into my speaking,
> sometime after this e-mail).
>
> For the rest of you, I don't know what has been created in your
> listening. Please share with us what you are present to in this
> conversation, and/or any thoughts, suggestions, or additions to this
> conversation.
>
> With great love,
> Ray
>
> ____________
> Ray Fulcher
> rfulcher@us.lhsgroup.com
> 770-280-3460
>
> ----------
> From: Steven Sadaka [SMTP:sSadaka@stevendouglas.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 6:33 PM
> To: rfulcher@us.lhsgroup.com
> Subject: Re: RE: PE: three questions
>
> Or perhaps you spoke without taking your own responsibility in
> the matter.
>
> Perhaps
>
> Steve
>
> >>> "Fulcher, Ray" 07/15/98 03:43PM
> >>>
> Thanks for your response Steven.
>
> I think it is useful to see where we are responsible for how our
> environment occurs for us and how our environment occurs for
> everyone
> around us. I think we are the cause of both, and we can make a
> difference in both.
>
> Perhaps people heard what I said (and it is what I said, not the
> truth,
> just a possible way to look at life that might create an
> opening) as
> admonishing a child and that child is separate and not included.
> Or,
> perhaps, people heard it as admonishing a child that then saw
> that they
> could use all of their adult capacities. Or, perhaps, people
> heard it as
> something completely different.
>
> Perhaps, I spoke without compassion. Or, perhaps I spoke with
> ruthless
> compassion. Or, perhaps I spoke what there was to be said, just
> as it
> should be said.
>
> This is an inquiry that all are welcome to participate in. I am
> very
> interested in hearing how this occurs for everyone. I invite
> everyone to
> respond to this conversation.
>
> With great love,
> Ray
> ____________
> Ray Fulcher
> rfulcher@us.lhsgroup.com
> 770-280-3460
>
> ----------
> From: Steven Sadaka [SMTP:sSadaka@stevendouglas.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 8:59 AM
> To: rfulcher@us.lhsgroup.com
> Subject: Re: RE: PE: three questions
>
> Ray,
> I think it's useful to see where we are responsible for
> people
> in our lives not feeling safe to communicate.
> Your initial paragraph strikes me as F/c or m/c in
> admoishing a
> child that they are in control of their life.
> I suggest that compassion is missing and that way of
> interacting
> with this conversation separates us rather than includes.
> What are your thoughts?
>
> >>> "Fulcher, Ray" 07/14/98
> 11:47AM
> >>>
> My thoughts on this are "we design our life."
>
> How our life occurs for us is exactly how we designed it
> to
> occur for
> us. (As a possibility, we designed it this way to learn
> what we
> came to
> this life to learn. All of it is perfect, including how
> we
> transform
> ourselves to the next levels.)
>
> If the world occurs as "unsafe", it is because we say
> that, not
> that it
> is. Perhaps it is impossible for people to challenge us.
> They
> just have
> something else to say about what we said. That we hold
> complete
> power of
> how our world occurs for us. It is ALL in what we say.
>
> This is not just an "I" conversation. The community
> designs its
> life.
>
> Each component (person / network of conversations) of
> the
> community is
> important. Each may occur as pretty, or not so pretty.
> As wise,
> or not
> so wise. As challenging, or safe. Each brings a unique
> aspect to
> the
> network of conversations that make up the community. Our
> community
> conversation would not be as rich, diverse, or impactful
> without
> each
> individual conversation. We all have something to teach,
> to
> learn, and
> to share.
>
> With great love,
> Ray
> ____________
> Ray Fulcher
> rfulcher@us.lhsgroup.com
> 770-280-3460
>
> ----------
> From: bstuhlmu.infoscan@medimedia.com
> [SMTP:bstuhlmu.infoscan@medimedia.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 10:15 AM
> Subject: Re: PE: three questions
>
> Someone said to me at the weekend that she wrote
> responses to
> our e-mails
> then erased them and never sent them. Another
> side she
> felt the
> people who
> communicated here were brilliant and she could
> never
> offer
> something that
> would makes as much a difference so she didn't
> write
> anything. A
> 3rd told
> me he was intimidated and didn't feel it was
> safe to say
> something cause
> he'd be challenged. Some also said they loved to
> read
> the
> exchanges here
> and got much value even though they didn't
> respond.
>
> Some thoughts about this from this individual:
>
> 1. I was surprised by some of the comments and
> went
> right into
> my monologue
> about the space I create for others. I was clear
> the one
> who
> makes it
> unsafe for others was me. I'm very engaged in
> what it
> takes to
> create
> safety for others around me as I am being
> trained in
> providing
> that
> clearing as a Wisdom Course leader. And I'm
> listening to
> all
> input about
> how people respond around me in that domain. So
> whenever
> I hear
> "unsafe",
> I'm sure it's me that is blundering around. And
> I
> suspect it's
> not so and I
> see this as a young monologue for me and it's
> good to
> get
> feedback.
>
> 2. For me as an e-mail participant, there have
> been all
> kinds of
> little
> jewels offered by others in this exchange like
> yesterday's quiet
> thanks
> from Gail. And Andi's journal entry which hit me
> as very
> powerful speaking,
> Then there are the comments from others about
> how one
> speaking
> opened
> another. I find the whole mix (including those
> that may
> think
> themselves as
> not brilliant or not important) to be a
> wonderful
> exchange. It
> keeps the
> course alive and sparkles my day (and that of
> those
> around me).
> So I love
> hearing from everyone and never find myself
> thinking
> what
> someone says as
> unimportant or as not making a difference. It
> doesn't
> occur for
> me as an
> individual phenomenon. Indeed the richness is
> the many.
>
> Any thoughts out there about this?
>
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