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by everything you say
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Sue -
In retrospect, he has been a great coach. Others are good, too. Thanks for
the offer and will use those of you who have offered as a future resource.
Love,
Robyn
Sue Bauter wrote:
> Robyn & Ray,
> Will & I met in wisdom about a year and a half ago. We have been
> dating
> since about tax day last year. We have used wisdom distinctions in the
> relationship.
> Particulaly "You aren't responding to me" and noise. We have done some
> circular
> network of conversation upgrades. In many respects, we have been great
> relationship coaches for each other. Maybe Vip is the best coach
> available for
> you. If you want others, I'm game.
> Love,
> Sue
>
> On Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:31:02 -0400 "Fulcher, Ray"
> writes:
> > Robyn, when you say "I need a 24-hour coach with absolute
> >wisdom; any
> > applicants?" it seems to me that there may be some joking in
> >what you say and some seriousness.
> >
> > I suggest that a "24-hour coach with absolute wisdom" may not
> >be
> >available. However, what may be even more useful is available: a
> >community of coaches participating in and creating an empowering
> >conversation.
> >
> > Within a community of coaches we can generate from the
> >Partnership field conversations for extraordinary relationship for
> >your
> >(and VIP's) empowerment and be empowered by that.
> >
> > Are you a request for coaching from a Partnership community of
> >coaches for extraordinary relationship?
> >
> > I offer to be part of that community of coaches.
> >
> > Each voice has something unique to contribute to this
> >conversation. Each of us have Category 2 (what is laying around to be
> >said) conversations to say about and for relationship. As a community
> >we
> >will invent new conversations for extraordinary relationship.
> >
> > Are there any others here that will also offer to be part of
> >that community?
> >
> > With great love,
> > Ray
> >
> >____________
> >Ray Fulcher
> >rfulcher@us.lhsgroup.com
> >770-280-3460
> >
> >
> > ----------
> > From: robyn jamison [SMTP:robynart@wans.net]
> > Sent: Friday, July 17, 1998 1:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: I am empowered by everything you say and do.I am
> >empowered by everything you say
> >
> > Your sharing is incredible. I've had the best/worst days
> >since
> >the weekend. The
> > distinctions show up, alternately, as completely inaccessible
> >or
> >bullshit or some
> > ideal or ...who knows? Meanwhile, what I'm mostly present to
> >is
> >being totally
> > unnerved, rug-pulled-out and upset. I know there were at
> >least
> >a few people who
> > dropped out of the course just before our fifth weekend - I
> >can
> >actually get how
> > that would seem like a viable option in the face of this
> >...what?...conversation.
> >
> > I took on the empowerment stand in my relationship with Vip,
> >and
> >within three
> > days, I was completely convinced that I should, in
> >self-defense,
> >quit having
> > anything to do with him. I need a 24-hour coach with absolute
> >wisdom; any
> > applicants?
> >
> > Meanwhile, the background is that there is infinite
> >possibility
> >in the field we
> > can designate Partnership; it's just that, well, the
> >inhabitants
> >are (don't say
> > it) human beings. I'm in the process of reconciling that for
> >myself. My own
> > humanity is only now starting to become acceptable to me.
> >Hmmmmmm.
> >
> > As Ray says, With great love,
> > Robyn
> >
> > InaRuth@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > Ina here:
> > >
> > > I've been ruminating over the thought "I am empowered by
> >everything you say
> > > and do." It's a toughie. Kathy's email got me going on it
> >last night and
> > > today while I was driving to customers etc. I promise you
> >there are a lot of
> > > things that people have been doing and saying since Sunday
> >that don't look
> > > like empowerment to me. So now, I say, either the quote is
> >bull or there's
> > > somewhere else to look.
> > >
> > > So here's where I'm looking. Everyone in my life is a
> >teacher
> >here to teach
> > > me my lessons in this life. Now if this Princess Brat had
> >her
> >way, all my
> > > lessons would be sweet and gentle like a summer's ocean
> >breeze.
> > > Unfortunately, it's not necessarily the way the universe
> >works. And not
> > > necessarily the way to have your lessons learned.
> > >
> > > So what if everything you do or say empowers me is literally
> >a
> >stand. Then
> > > "hard" lessons, like abuse, or pain, also empowers me. Why?
> >Because I said
> > > so. It's like learning to embrace what's present. The
> >example that came to
> > > mind today was pain. Either emotional or physical, but the
> >one I'll talk
> > > about is physical. I don't like pain. It ain't my
> >preference. But after the
> > > car accident I was in chronic pain for 7 years. And you
> >learn
> >to live with
> > > it, like learning to live with "being cute" or brown eyes or
> >the ilk. And in
> > > the learning to live with it (whatever "it" happens to be),
> >you grow. And
> > > you're empowered.
> > >
> > > Physical pain is something we avoid like the plague. And I
> >suspect we all
> > > avoid anything that looks like any kind of pain. Like
> >rejection. Especially
> > > rejection. We fail to communicate to avoid rejection, and
> >of
> >course the irony
> > > is that the act of avoiding communication usually causes
> >more
> >pain than the
> > > original communication would havae caused.
> > >
> > > So there may be lessons which come out of pain. And you are
> >empowered (and
> > > maybe don't like it!) But you are empowered - if you
> >surrender to your
> > > lessons - if you take on your lessons like a practice. If
> >it's in front of
> > > me, then it's there for me to learn. The longer I resist
> >the
> >lesson, the
> > > longer it persists. Once I surrender to the lesson, learn
> >it,
> >then the
> > > appearance of similar incidents don't carry the same whomp
> >of
> >the original. I
> > > am not as devastated or upset by the presence of the affect
> >of
> >the lesson.
> > > It's simply "Oh, there it is again. Interesting. What more
> >is there to
> > > learn?"
> > >
> > > So I'm looking at empowerment more from the vantage point of
> >a
> >zen master in
> > > the process of mastery. Standing in the sacred witness,
> >what
> >we see is what's
> > > there to learn, to master. For me, it's been physical pain
> >and the
> > > debilitation of being handicapped. And also relationship -
> >but that's another
> > > story.
> > >
> > > I'm uncertain if this has communicated what I want to say.
> >It's a circuitous
> > > route at best (sorry Steve). What I'm trying to do is take
> >learnings and
> > > apply them to the Partnership Exploration.
> > >
> > > So, I guess, the empowerment by everything you say and do
> >lives in the sacred
> > > witness observing life and then magically turning the
> >lessons,
> >the "what you
> > > say and do" into empowerment.
> > >
> > > love,
> > > i
> > > PS
> > > What language do I speak? Sharing and caring.
> > > For what? The Adventure life is
> > > To whom: Fellow Adventurers
> > >
> > > My accountability: I am accountable for bringing light to
> >the
> >shadows and
> > > illuminating them. I am accountable for love.
> >
> >
> >
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Sue -
In retrospect, he has been a great coach. Others are good,
too. Thanks for the offer and will use those of you who have offered
as a future resource.
Love,
Robyn
Sue Bauter wrote:
Robyn & Ray,
Will & I met in wisdom
about a year and a half ago. We have been
dating
since about tax day last year. We have used wisdom distinctions
in the
relationship.
Particulaly "You aren't responding to me" and noise. We have
done some
circular
network of conversation upgrades. In many respects, we have been
great
relationship coaches for each other. Maybe Vip is the best coach
available for
you. If you want others, I'm game.
Love,
Sue
On Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:31:02 -0400 "Fulcher, Ray"
<rfulcher@us.lhsgroup.com> writes:
> Robyn, when you say "I need a
24-hour coach with absolute
>wisdom; any
> applicants?" it seems to me that
there may be some joking in
>what you say and some seriousness.
>
> I suggest that a "24-hour coach
with absolute wisdom" may not
>be
>available. However, what may be even more useful is available: a
>community of coaches participating in and creating an empowering
>conversation.
>
> Within a community of coaches
we can generate from the
>Partnership field conversations for extraordinary relationship for
>your
>(and VIP's) empowerment and be empowered by that.
>
> Are you a request for coaching
from a Partnership community of
>coaches for extraordinary relationship?
>
> I offer to be part of that community
of coaches.
>
> Each voice has something unique
to contribute to this
>conversation. Each of us have Category 2 (what is laying around to
be
>said) conversations to say about and for relationship. As a community
>we
>will invent new conversations for extraordinary relationship.
>
> Are there any others here that
will also offer to be part of
>that community?
>
> With great love,
> Ray
>
>____________
>Ray Fulcher
>rfulcher@us.lhsgroup.com
>770-280-3460
>
>
> ----------
> From: robyn jamison [SMTP:robynart@wans.net]
> Sent: Friday, July 17,
1998 1:06 AM
> Subject: Re: I am empowered
by everything you say and do.I am
>empowered by everything you say
>
> Your sharing is incredible.
I've had the best/worst days
>since
>the weekend. The
> distinctions show up, alternately,
as completely inaccessible
>or
>bullshit or some
> ideal or ...who knows?
Meanwhile, what I'm mostly present to
>is
>being totally
> unnerved, rug-pulled-out and
upset. I know there were at
>least
>a few people who
> dropped out of the course just
before our fifth weekend - I
>can
>actually get how
> that would seem like a viable
option in the face of this
>...what?...conversation.
>
> I took on the empowerment stand
in my relationship with Vip,
>and
>within three
> days, I was completely convinced
that I should, in
>self-defense,
>quit having
> anything to do with him.
I need a 24-hour coach with absolute
>wisdom; any
> applicants?
>
> Meanwhile, the background is
that there is infinite
>possibility
>in the field we
> can designate Partnership; it's
just that, well, the
>inhabitants
>are (don't say
> it) human beings. I'm in
the process of reconciling that for
>myself. My own
> humanity is only now starting
to become acceptable to me.
>Hmmmmmm.
>
> As Ray says, With great love,
> Robyn
>
> InaRuth@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Ina here:
> >
> > I've been ruminating over the
thought "I am empowered by
>everything you say
> > and do." It's a toughie.
Kathy's email got me going on it
>last night and
> > today while I was driving to
customers etc. I promise you
>there are a lot of
> > things that people have been
doing and saying since Sunday
>that don't look
> > like empowerment to me.
So now, I say, either the quote is
>bull or there's
> > somewhere else to look.
> >
> > So here's where I'm looking.
Everyone in my life is a
>teacher
>here to teach
> > me my lessons in this life.
Now if this Princess Brat had
>her
>way, all my
> > lessons would be sweet and
gentle like a summer's ocean
>breeze.
> > Unfortunately, it's not necessarily
the way the universe
>works. And not
> > necessarily the way to have
your lessons learned.
> >
> > So what if everything you do
or say empowers me is literally
>a
>stand. Then
> > "hard" lessons, like abuse,
or pain, also empowers me. Why?
>Because I said
> > so. It's like learning
to embrace what's present. The
>example that came to
> > mind today was pain.
Either emotional or physical, but the
>one I'll talk
> > about is physical. I
don't like pain. It ain't my
>preference. But after the
> > car accident I was in chronic
pain for 7 years. And you
>learn
>to live with
> > it, like learning to live with
"being cute" or brown eyes or
>the ilk. And in
> > the learning to live with it
(whatever "it" happens to be),
>you grow. And
> > you're empowered.
> >
> > Physical pain is something
we avoid like the plague. And I
>suspect we all
> > avoid anything that looks like
any kind of pain. Like
>rejection. Especially
> > rejection. We fail to
communicate to avoid rejection, and
>of
>course the irony
> > is that the act of avoiding
communication usually causes
>more
>pain than the
> > original communication would
havae caused.
> >
> > So there may be lessons which
come out of pain. And you are
>empowered (and
> > maybe don't like it!)
But you are empowered - if you
>surrender to your
> > lessons - if you take on your
lessons like a practice. If
>it's in front of
> > me, then it's there for me
to learn. The longer I resist
>the
>lesson, the
> > longer it persists. Once
I surrender to the lesson, learn
>it,
>then the
> > appearance of similar incidents
don't carry the same whomp
>of
>the original. I
> > am not as devastated or upset
by the presence of the affect
>of
>the lesson.
> > It's simply "Oh, there it is
again. Interesting. What more
>is there to
> > learn?"
> >
> > So I'm looking at empowerment
more from the vantage point of
>a
>zen master in
> > the process of mastery.
Standing in the sacred witness,
>what
>we see is what's
> > there to learn, to master.
For me, it's been physical pain
>and the
> > debilitation of being handicapped.
And also relationship -
>but that's another
> > story.
> >
> > I'm uncertain if this has communicated
what I want to say.
>It's a circuitous
> > route at best (sorry Steve).
What I'm trying to do is take
>learnings and
> > apply them to the Partnership
Exploration.
> >
> > So, I guess, the empowerment
by everything you say and do
>lives in the sacred
> > witness observing life and
then magically turning the
>lessons,
>the "what you
> > say and do" into empowerment.
> >
> > love,
> > i
> > PS
> > What language do I speak?
Sharing and caring.
> > For what? The Adventure
life is
> > To whom: Fellow Adventurers
> >
> > My accountability: I
am accountable for bringing light to
>the
>shadows and
> > illuminating them. I am accountable
for love.
>
>
>
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