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Seth -

Language: inquiry
To whom: fellow voyagers
For what:growth

Seth -

There's a lot in what you're pointing at here; your writing style is so
poetic, I have trouble understanding it sometimes.So, I interspersed
some questions in the body of your message below -


> < Hurt is something that happens to
>  you as your identity  >>
>
> I speak the language of communication
> to vast, rich and penetrating minds
> to stay awake, attentive and in action
>
> Kate:
>
> I think you are right on...
> "Hurt" is tied to identity: to "I",
> a distinction in PEX.
>
> I also think that "hurt"
> is an emotional/ immediate response
> to a disconnect in dialogue
> Literally falling out of dialogue,
> therefore relationship, with another
> It hurts us, probably deeper then we
> imagine, not to be in relationship
> and, often this may happen not
> because we seek this "hurt", but
> do not recognize the relationship:
> the dialogue that is available like a
> possibility....we are "hurt" by a
> sudden sense of no-possibility and
> an abandonment in the limits of
> our identity, which is shallow in
> comparison to the dialogue, the
> relationship we encounter.....
>
> So, in the context of "community"
> identity is the dialogue,  community 'identity'? which is
> totally paradoxical to "I"...and
> again the word "surrender" comes
> up for me...surrendering to dialogue
> And, I ask myself , "why surrender,  why not just accept or acquire?"
> What is there in that question is
> emptiness: nothing to accept,
> nothing to acquire...possibly
> something to admire...something
> to be honest about that is admired,
> however something that is "admired"
> not at a distance, but as a sympatic
> sense of one's own shared listening,
> and I think I surrender myself to
> this discovery of what I see and hear
> as being who I am, that is when I
> even approach what is only vaguely
> beginning to be what a dialogue is...
>
> The funny thing is it "hurts" always Are you saying that there is
> almost always an underlying sense of hurt?
> like an underlying complaint
> and once in a while it doesn't

> Seth

  Thanks, Seth.
Love,
Robyn

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Seth -

Language: inquiry

To whom: fellow voyagers

For what:growth

Seth -

There's a lot in what you're pointing at here; your writing style is
so poetic, I have trouble understanding it sometimes.So, I interspersed
some questions in the body of your message below -

 
< Hurt is something that happens to

 you as your identity  >>

I speak the language of communication

to vast, rich and penetrating minds

to stay awake, attentive and in action

Kate:

I think you are right on...

"Hurt" is tied to identity: to "I",

a distinction in PEX.

I also think that "hurt"

is an emotional/ immediate response

to a disconnect in dialogue

Literally falling out of dialogue,

therefore relationship, with another

It hurts us, probably deeper then we

imagine, not to be in relationship

and, often this may happen not

because we seek this "hurt", but

do not recognize the relationship:

the dialogue that is available like a

possibility....we are "hurt" by a

sudden sense of no-possibility and

an abandonment in the limits of

our identity, which is shallow in

comparison to the dialogue, the

relationship we encounter.....

So, in the context of "community"

identity is the dialogue, <is this the same as "the dialogue
is the community 'identity'? which is

totally paradoxical to "I"...and

again the word "surrender" comes

up for me...surrendering to dialogue

And, I ask myself , "why surrender, <is this like HAVE to surrender?

why not just accept or acquire?"

What is there in that question is

emptiness: nothing to accept,

nothing to acquire...possibly

something to admire...something

to be honest about that is admired,

however something that is "admired"

not at a distance, but as a sympatic

sense of one's own shared listening,

and I think I surrender myself to

this discovery of what I see and hear

as being who I am, that is when I

even approach what is only vaguely

beginning to be what a dialogue is...

The funny thing is it "hurts" always Are you saying that there is
almost always an underlying sense of hurt?

like an underlying complaint

and once in a while it doesn't

Seth
  Thanks, Seth.

Love,

Robyn

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