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You made me laugh and cry, Larry. Nice to have more of your dad around,
present in you.

Your "straight talking" is interesting.

Andrew.



>From Larry:
>The language of dialogue
>To co-creators
>For a breakthrough in Self-expression
>
>My Dad died yesterday.  Mom was with him.  She said it was as if he finally
>figured out how to go.  He had been talking about "getting out of here,"
and
>getting "up there" and trying to climb out of bed as if that were the way.
>When he died it was extraordinarily peaceful.  He just stopped breathing,
then
>soon his heart stopped  beating.  No effort, no struggle, no agony.  We
feel
>blessed as a family that we had the last few months with him and with each
>other to "say everything," and that it didn't stretch out.
>
>I don't try to talk about this much, but I have felt the presence of my
>grandparents since their death.  My Dad is present as I type these words.
>It's as if we incorporate and give expression to everyone who has gone
>before--and to everything, all of it.  Who I am is my grandfather and my
>father; who I am is all of humanity, all it it.  And that is so for each of
>us.
>
>The tragi-comedy of our lives is that most of the time we live and act with
>little or no "inkling" of that.
>
>One way of looking at the "drama"--such as Jean's being hurt by Vip's
>demonstration that his brains must have been fucked out long ago--is the
>Wisdom distinction about whether the eternal speaks to each of us primarily
>through Truth, Beauty, or Goodness.
>
>Those of us in the Goodness camp will prefer that nothing be said or done
>which could break anyone's sense of belonging.  We are the "make nice"
folks.
>
>Those of in the Truth brigade will be less sensitive to how others feel,
more
>committed to saying what's there to be said.
>
>The Beauty-lovers must wonder what all the noise is about.
>
>Based on that distinction, here are some observations:
>
>Janet is so Relationship (Goodness) oriented that it took her a long time
to
>tell the truth about her impatience, so long that it had a kind of
snottiness
>or bitchiness about it when it finally got expressed.  (And it was perfect,
of
>course.)
>
>Vip will say what is lying around to be said, and let Relationship be
damned.
>
>Jean has good Goodness collapsed with moralistic and undistinguished middle
>class standards about what must and must not be said or done.  (Jean is a
>powerful stand for Goodness, and is sorting out what works from what
doesn't.)
>
>Ina is so appreciative of and absorbed in Beauty that she doesn't listen
very
>well to the "in-between" and is prone to pontification.
>
>Brian is Goodness and Beauty, and prefers truth to be a matter of inquiry,
>discovery, exploration.  "Calling a spade a spade" isn't his style.  I read
>his responses since Janet's comment on "orations about the obvious" as
>defensive, as if they had been aimed directly at him.   Brian, is your
current
>"mathematical" form of expression a way of taking yourself away: "ok, if
you
>want brevity, I'm going to take my prose and go home"?
>
>Andrew is Truth and Beauty, and sounds to me to be willing to write people
off
>who are less evolved.
>
>Gail is Goodness, Truth and Beauty.
>
>Lucinda, you are a mystery to me.  Your message on D.H. Lawrence on fucking
>was just plain wierd.  It didn't seem to me to speak to any issue that had
>been raised; and a note apparently in defense of fucking which avoids
saying
>the f-word strikes me as hilariously hypocritical.  My guess is that you
are
>Beauty first, truth second, and less at home in the Goodness/Relationship
>realm.
>
>Then there are those of you who brag about deleting these damn e-mails
without
>reading them (based on whether you have liked that person's earlier
>contributions, I guess).  This sounds like self-righteous voyeurism.  You
will
>judge without participating.  Why don't you have your name removed from the
>list?  Some of you won't be reading this, of course, or will have deleted
it
>before you get to this paragraph, in which case I'm perfectly free to say
>"fuck you" without consequences.  Talk about "already always listening."
You
>have been wasting your time and money on these courses.  Please explain to
me
>the point of keeping yourself on a list so that you can complain about it.
>The next time I hear it, I promise to make sure you get deleted--at least
from
>my version of the list.
>
>Ray Fulcher is an off-the-scale Goodness guy.
>
>Seth, your contributions have been favorites of mine because they stretch
me
>to see if I can think what you are thinking.  You are at home in the
company
>of Socrates and Plato--and you wouldn't hit it off with Aristotle.
>
>I wish we heard more from Kate, Shirley, Lynn Casto, Kathy DiBenedetto.
>Robyn's joining us has raised the level of discourse.  Sue Bauter's posts
>early on struck me as preachy, condescending--and that tone has completely
>disappeared from her "speaking."  Sue, I thought your sharing notes from
the
>course was perfect, valuable, a brilliant way of bringing focus to the
>conversation.
>
>This is "growth and development" for me.  I know that "relatedness" is
handled
>for me.  I am loved.  You all have room for me to say anything--whether or
not
>you like what I say.  I prefer listening, being still, but I think I have
also
>used that as an excuse not to say things that are lying around to be said.
>And those are the things which can lead us into new territory.
>
>My Dad was a straight talker, and you will probably be hearing more of
"him"
>from now on.  Maybe I'm climbing the ladder from Goodness to Truth to
Beauty.
>
>Love,
>Larry


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