Subject: Re: How well do forms work? From: Rex Ballard Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 22:42:58 -0400 (EDT)
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Subject: Re: How well do forms work? From: Rex Ballard Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 22:42:58 -0400 (EDT)
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On Mon, 22 May 1995, S. Finer wrote:

> The problem with using web forms for surveys is not the forms per se.  
> The problem is that you limit your respondents to just people who use the 
> WEB, a growing but minor subset of general users.

It depends on what type of form you use and what you're trying to survey.
I've had a few survey experiences that were so unpleasant (300 3D-icon 
pushbuttons per page!!) I didn't even try to complete the second page.

> An even more critical problem is the volunteer nature of those going to 
> the survey URL.  Unbiased samples are a critical issue in valid survey 
> research, and they are an issue that is habitually disregarded in many of 
> the online surveys.
One of the great jokes is the way statistics are used in the entire 
computer industry.  Novell has 70% of the network-operating-system 
market.  Unix servers don't count, TCP/IP packages downloaded from the 
internet don't count, number of users actually using IP vs IPX doesn't 
count.  According to NetWorld, this is an unbiased survey. :-).

> The interpretor has NO IDEA what population is 
> actually being surveyed, or what relation it has to the superset 
> accessing population.
Short of rounding up the general population and forcing each one to 
answer your questions you have NO IDEA what population is being surveyed.
A phone driven outcall survey will get different results at 7 PM on 
tuesday than 8 PM on friday.  The "random population" of people who have 
nothing better to do on Friday night than sit around and talk to some
pollster is likely to be looking for the "Magic soap" that will make them 
irresistable to members of the opposite sex.  Hence the Nielsen ratings.

Can you imagine trying to plan a political campaign or an economic 
forcast around that sample?

>For COMMERCIAL purposes, as opposed to feature 
> article purposes where a financial investment is not at risk, the 
> volunteer bias is unacceptable.
Actually, I would be much more interested in finding out that there were 
7000 people who wanted to pay $100/month for up-to-the-second economic 
information than to find out that 99% of the "randomly sampled" 
respondants wanted their news for free.  This would at least create the
basis for a million dollar/year budget.  Even if only 20% of those 
respondents came through, I could make a tidy profit.

The internet isn't a single generic "population" which will soak up any 
type of information you want to shoot at it.  The internet is about 
20,000 "cities" organized by specific interests and commitments.  
Individuals commute freely between the towns.  Some of the neighorhoods 
are a bit seedy (alt.hate.* alt.white-supremacy, alt.sex.*...) but you
can't be forced to go there either (a cross-post might catch your 
interest, but it comes into your field-of-view based on your interests.

> Well whadda ya know......It looks as though the ala carte pricing as 
> independent entities, as Bill Densmore, myself, and others described, 
> just might get a shot after all, eh?   8-)

Yes, I wouldn't mind paying "penny-a-page" rates for something I could 
buy in a "Weekly Magazine" (up to 500 pages/week for 5.00).  I might even
pay $20/week for some magazines (PR-Newswire, Software, Stock 
Quotes/Reports)....

> On Mon, 22 May 1995, Eric K. 
> Meyer wrote:

> > I've just converted several of the bread-and-butter surveys and 
> > other features offered on NewsLink into HTML forms. 
>
> > At one time I thought that 
tags were so poorly implemented by > > off-brand browsers as to make such pages of limited use. However, the > > browser versions I've seen lately seem to handle them better. > > I've tested with new Netscape, old Mosaic, current Prodigy and current > > Lynx browsers, and all seem to work much better than the old scheme > > of sending e-mail files to be marked up and sent back. > Rex Ballard Standard & Poor's/McGraw-Hill Opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect the Management of the McGraw-Hill Companies. From rballard@cnj.digex.net Tue May 30 00:25:46 1995