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On 20 Dec 1995, Reality is a point of view wrote:

>  +---- clarkejd@cleo.bc.edu wrote:
>  | Est the Landmark Forum's predecessor was about money.  Therefore its 
>  | appeal was largely to those who could afford the $450 plus sum for the 
>  | "Training".

When I first heard about EST, back in 1980, the price was about $600, and 
I couldn't make that much in a month.  I didn't actually take the Forum 
until 12 years later.

> Ever been to an industry trade show?  I have seen shorter seminars
> at those types of events cost more.  And with no visible
> positive impact afterwards, except for maybe the knowledge of a
> few new buzzwords.

I paid $1200 for Dale Carnagie.  I had the choice between Carnagie and 
the Forum.  I was on the brink of Divorce, having problems at Work, and 
getting bored with 12 step programs.  I took the Carnagie course, I won 
the pen for the "Most Enthusiastic" speech.  My ex and her lover were 
engaged 1 month after I completed Carnagie.  I did give great 
presentations though.

When I registered for the Forum, 2 years later, I called my ex and 
cleaned up "My side of the street".  For the first time in 10 years, she 
apoligized to me.  I had to remember that she was married to another man 
and that I didn't want to hurt him.

>  | sign up for umpteen expensive follow-up seminars which "are essential 
>  | for your self realization."
>  +----

I have taken many follow-up seminars.  I have also taken sebatticals 
ranging from 1 to 6 months.  Very quickly, life starts to get "ordinary", 
you start letting circumstances run your life.

> The prices I have seen posted here don't seem too bad.

Compared to child-support, custody battles, the cost of making your boss 
wrong, or the cost of hating your parents, it's a a drop in the bucket.  
Compared to missing 2 years of your kids' lives, it's nothing.  Compared 
to the difference you can make in the lives of millions of people because 
you say "This shall be so" and take the appropriate actions to fulfill on 
it, it is like a teaspoon of water in Lake Ontario.

> As for the 'hook' comments, feel like expanding on those?

I don't do anything at Landmark unless I am willing to put myself "On the 
Hook".  My time is worth $1/minute, I take on assisting agreements and 
courses based on that I will get value.  I have reaped monitary values 
(an 80% increase in earning power over 4 years), but I've also reaped 
benefits money can't buy, like being invited (by my Ex and her husband) 
to spend Christmas at their house, being invited to go to Disney Land 
with "the Family", or seeing a project, literaly go from a conversation 
at the desk of the owner of a <$1million corporation, to a multibillion 
dollar industry, or to see people in 3rd world countries able to feed, 
clothe, and educate their children because of conversations which started 
at Landmark and ended up taking root all over the world.

> Gary Johnson                   "The numbers themselves may be our best tools."
> gjohnson@season.com            Fed 
flip? > 
> 

	Rex Ballard
	Standard & Poor's/McGraw-Hill
	Opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect
	the Management of the McGraw-Hill Companies.




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