Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:32:20 +1000
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Daniel,
> "Sergio Dall'Omo" said:
>
> > There is a deep difference between Usenet and Listserv. In the
> > former case you speak to all the people in the Internet, so it is
> > clear your intention to have your opinion in the "public domain".
> > Moreover Usenet is a public Internet service. In the latter,
> > because of your "subscribe" command to be inscribed in a list
> > (that as a rule is private) you don't clearly express the
> > intention to be in the "public domain", but you clearly express
> > the intention to be in the domain of the subscribers. As a
> > consequence, only all subscribers can use for themselves the texts
> > they receive in their own e-mail boxes, but cannot spread the
> > content without the express permission of the author.
>
> Sorry, I must disagree with your taxonomy here. One, the mailing
> list is available to anyone who wants on, as far as I can tell, so
> it's hardly private.
No, no.
One, you have to "subscribe", that is to say "I will", "I express
a clear intention to", accepting the conditions of the list owner.
Two, Listserv or Majordomo, or anything alike, (you have to pay for
them) is a side-service of a private provider (not the Net's, like
Usenet).
> Two, our messages are visible to any Web user,
> over at http://www.planetarynews.com/o-n.html ...
This can be a problem, so Steve should write a warning note like this: "The
written materials in this archive are intended for personal, private use only.
Any different use is subjected to a written consent of the author, a quote
of the name of the author and the citation of the source:
"http://www.planetarynews.com".
> which means, I believe/suspect, they're also likely to be indexed in AltaVista
>et al. That's about as publicly available as Fabio's chest muscles. :-)
> Check for yourself in AltaVista (name, email-id, and URL, in
> separate searches) sometime, for an enlightening experience.
> Finding out who points to you, and also who's stashed copies of your
> stuff, is instructive.
> Daniel Dern (ddern@world.std.com, http://www.dern.com)
> Internet analyst, author, columnist & speaker
Well, this is a totally different matter and not of little evidence.
A Listserv o a Majordomo demon can be easily hacked. But, you teach
me, hacking is a crime. In the meanwhile many major software
companies/universities invented the so called "spiders", some Net
demons working round the clock, 365 days a year to collect "HTML page
headers" throughout the Internet. More recently, they invented
different kind of "spiders" that are able to collect other types of
informations from Pop servers or News servers. That is to say they
are, somehow, "hacking the Net" but in a acceptable way: they just give
you an e-mail address, or the result of a search in the public domain.
Were the same thing done on a Listserv, it should be PURE HACKING.
I.e. a crime.
Best
Sergio
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