Subject: Re: Constituency (was: Charging ...) From: curtmonash@monash.com (Curt A. Monash) Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 07:57:49 -0400

At 03:40 AM 5/29/96 -0400, Vigdor Schreibman - FINS wrote:
>On Wed, 29 May 1996, Curt A. Monash wrote:
>
>> Vigdor wrote:
>> 
>> "What is needed is a broad based board of advisors comprised of
>> the various stakeholders interests and knowledge"
>> 
>> I think that the people who post to the list fill that purpose.  That's one
>> of the neat things about the notegroup format.
>> 
>> In the immortal words of Earl Butz:  "You no play-a the game, you no make-a
>> the rules."
>> 
>> CAM
>> 
>> PS.  Vigdor, let's make a deal.  You stop distorting people's meaning in
>> your posts, and we'll continue to ignore the tripe with which you invariably
>> pad yours.  Then maybe we'll pull out the occasional insightful comments you
>> bury in the hyperbole, and actually respond to them.
>> 
>> Curt A. Monash, Ph.D.
>
>  I'll pass the opportunity to respond to the heat. 

Thank you. 
>
>  This list may be an unofficial advisory council but the lurkers far
>outnumber those who are active and what I had in mind is a balanced group
>who properly represent the real-world stakeholders, 

Anybody who reads this list can "vote" with their "feet", keyboards, and/or
wallets.  Strikes me as quite a bit of control.  

The same is true of OUR readers.  

And, actually, our employees.

I have trouble envisioning a mechanism under which any other "stakeholders"
would, in practice, exert any reasonable degree of influence.


And it's correlated with ith designated
>responsibilities and regular input and reports to the home gang. Moreover,
>the core of the problem with the search for revenue has to do with the
>list owner's intentions.  Driven by the search to satisfy his own
>interests we can expect one kind of outcome.  Driven by the desire to
>fulfill the interrelated purposes of all who are affected we can expect an
>entirely different outcome. 

We can.  But *I* actually expect very similar outcomes.
>
>  I wanted to probe that intention, and we already have Steve's response.
>What is intended, it appears, is to pitch a slider, with profit as the
>goal just as our former colleague Alan McConnell surmised a day or so ago.
>
>  This may be an interesting experiment but we already know the outcome.

No we don't.  In fact, we disagree about it.

>The story has been played out a million or more times before.  The
>conversion of this forum into a profit center will guarantee the lack of
>any serious discussion. 

I've had some of my most interesting discussions in restaurants.  I think
the restaurant owners were trying to make money, but that didn't diminish
much from the discussion, unless the rest of their customers liked loud music.

I've had others in offices, and rented apartments.  I think their landlords
were out to make money too.

 That's not pushing things very far from where we
>are, but it does make the difference for some.
>
>  Enjoy.  
>
>Vigdor Schreibman - FINS 
>
>
>
>

Curt A. Monash, Ph.D.
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